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Things Will Get Better For Hillary

by a gunslinger, Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:21:47 PM EST

I have been perusing the blogs at both kos and mydd today; have been watching the news; and while I still believe that Obama is likely to be the democratic nominee and will be elected President, I also believe wholeheartedly that whether it's tomorrow or in May, or in July...whenever the presumtive nominee is made known...Hillary WILL Continue to be one of the most powerful, respected figures not only in the world, but on the planet.

I am not one of those out there demanding Hillary step down. She is a figure of significance and stature and should not be forced to adhere to a timetable set forth by outside considerations. Sure it would be better if we had one nominee by now, but for Barack Obama, IMO, the price he is forced to pay for winning the mantle of "presumptive nominee" given his meteoric rise...is having to allow Hillary (who had she run in '04 OR had she a better, more agile campaign staff in '08 would likely have obtained the nomination) to determine when it is time. I trust Hillary to not endanger the greater good at the expense of her own desires. She's a patriot. I also have enough confidence in Barack Obama to realize that he's going to prevail. But for we who understand this to go out and force the issue...it is just WRONG, and does not do anything but engender further ill will for us and our candidate.

I am also troubled by the continuing race-baiting, and Obama bashing that is going on by some of the mydd community. If I am, as an Obama man going to go out and try to calm down MY like-minded people who sometimes are rude, offensive and sometimes not so slightly mysogynistic...I ask some of YOU folks, to take to task those of you who are rabidly pursuing youtube race-baiting, calling names, and being equally devisive.

The State of the Race this week:
Barack Obama was weathered his flap with Wright well. He gave the "Perfect Union" speech, and on Friday, on "The View"...said that had Wright not retired, and had some inflamatory language been uttered in his presence...he would in fact have left the church. One of the other things that helped him, is his newness. There is no reputation for him ot be judged against.

Hillary, for good, ill or indifferent, has the Clinton problem...the existing reputation for exaggeration or falsehood. By misspeaking about Bosnia, she played into that very weakness. It is a story that had legs...and then by bringing up the Wright flap RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the Bosnia furor... that is why her numbers plummetted this week while Obama's rose back to pre-Wright levels. She had a tough week.

But the point of this Diary is to remind people that Hillary is important, and necessary. She may well be President whenever Obama is done with his presidency (wold she run in 12 if Obama's 1st term is rocky?)...so let's all calm down and let this thing play out. We owe her that for her respected years of quality service.

Let's be kind to one another..and if THAT's not possible, let's at least choose to admonish those among us who are seemingly more interested in cutting deeper than the last guy, or trying to remind everyone about the other candidates' worst flaws.

Peace.

Tags: hillary, obama, bosnia, racism, nomination (all tags)

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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Obama, himself, never said that Bill Clinton was a racist for saying that Obama's Iraq war voting record was a "fairytale", he got his surrogates like Donna Brazille and James Clyburn to do it for him. Oh, and let's not pretend that Clyburn and Brazille are uncommitted or aren't on Obama's side--it belittles us all.

Obama never said that it was OK for Shuster to say that the Clintons were pimping Chelsea Clinton, but his supporters on blogs (such as Huffington Post and The Daily Kos) sure did--and Obama did absolutely nothing to correct them when he posted diaries on those very blogs.

Now, when Hillary stated that LBJ actually passed the civil rights legislation, and everyone in the press cried "racism" (I guess every history book that I've ever read is racist too), did Obama respond by eloquently defending her like he did Joe Biden in the Iowa debate? No! Instead Obama responded by saying that Hillary, "Upset some folks"--again true to form, implying that the Clinton's are racists.

Right before the SC primary, the Obama campaign in SC sent out a memo telling it's staff members to look for any statements that the Clinton campaign made that could be twisted and taken out of context, so that the Obama campaign could again accuse the Clinton's of racism. Tim Russert even asked Obama about this memo during the Nevada debate.

During Obama's speech on race (or should I say damage-control regarding Jeremiah Wright), Obama compared statements made by Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton to those made by Jeremiah Wright. First of all, Barack Obama must think that the American people are all really stupid if he thinks that we will believe, for one moment, that Ferraro's and Hillary's past statements are even in the same ball park as Jeremiah Wright's past statements. However, I'm not really surprised that Obama would stoop to trying to label Hillary and Ferraro as racists (again) during his speech--he threw his own grandmother under the bus during his speech and compared her to Wright.

Bottom line--Obama has spent his entire campaign implying that the Clinton's are racists, and now with Jeremiah Wright, it has blown up in his face. He looks like a big, fat, hypocrite--especially after he demanded Don Imus' resignation. Face it, Obama is damaged goods. Middle America won't vote for him after hearing from Jeremiah--G.D. America--Wright. But worst of all, millions of Clinton voters, like me, think that Obama is, now, getting exactly what he deserves after calling Hillary and her supporters racists. We do not have his back, but we would have if he (and his obnoxious supporters on the blogs) had treated us and our candidate more kindly and shown us a little more respect. We want to see him lose. We think it will be funny. Obama has made his bed, and now he will have to lie in it. He has reaped what he has sown

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:29:37 PM EST

Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

JWH..I respectfully disagree with a number of your opinions, but the most hyperbolic one is that he is "damaged goods" to the point that he is unelectable.

That is pure fancy on your behalf.

We have seen this very week that the Wright flap has been endured and he has moved past it. The numbers show it definitively. Moreover, I'll argue that it is GOOD that this came out in March rather than October. Look, NO CANDIDATE is perfect. Hillary is damaged goods as well. You cannot argue reasonably to the contrary. This week proved THIS too.

Obama will have months to reassure voters, and whats more... deomcrats and moderates will all come out for Obama not because of any of the rhetorical flourishes or any of that (though it helps).... he will win becuase of

1) Economy/recession

Iraq
Energy
Environment

THIS IS a Democrat year...and for that WE ALL should be thrilled.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:51:27 PM EST
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no even close (2.00 / 0)

We have seen this very week that the Wright flap has been endured and he has moved past it.

1 happywsj/nbc poll is useless.

his positivres have dropped,his negs are up.

red state numbers have collpsed .

60% now say it makes them less likely to support him...

and these people havent even seen the worse stuff yet!

the only way we can lose in 08 is with him in front.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:19:05 PM EST
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Re: no even close (none / 0)

In order to increase his 3/26/08 lead from 48-44% to 50-42% in yesterday's Gallup's 3-day tracking poll,
Obama had to win yesterday's poll by 55-36%... can YOU explain what is happening?

Don't you think that he may have turned the corner on the Wright thing..or do you think this is more reflective of the Bosnian flap helping him?

The point of my Diary was not to get embroiled in a war on #'s, but to state that I think HRC should stay in as long as she wants and that she is still going to be a powerful player in the end...that's all.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:40:58 PM EST
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It got silent . . . (none / 0)

Agreed . . . and rec'd

:o)

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:32:21 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

"We want to see him lose. We think it will be funny."

Wanna hear something funny... Have you heard the one about the ongoing war in Iraq? Its a knee slapper. Don't worry if you don't get it now though. With McCain in charge we don't get to hear the punchline for 100 years. Hold your nose if you must, but please vote for the Democrat.

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM EST
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lose 2 Hillary (none / 0)

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:20:17 PM EST
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Re: lose 2 Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Probably not going to happen. If I'm right, a number of Hillary supporters are going to have to think long and hard about whether it is worth a protest vote against Obama and in favor of prolonged war, trickle down economics, and anti choice justices. I believe that for a true movement progressive there can be no other choice but to support our nominee.

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:27:47 PM EST
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Re: lose 2 Hillary (none / 0)

Amen.
I read some pretty silly comments from these people, but one comment in another diary put it thusly (talking about voting for McCain rather than the Democrat nominee):

Sometimes its better to deal with the devil you know

It left me speechless, to say the least. Almost as if the poster has been living on another planet the last seven years.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:08:59 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is NOT a racist.

As far as I know.

by smoker1 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:32:07 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Troll - "We want to see him lose. We think it will be funny."

Your last 8 diaries have said nothing about our mutual enemy John McCain . . . I mean . . . I am sure you joined MyDD because you agree with the progressive beliefs of the Democratic Party . . . correct??

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:34:19 PM EST
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My fear on Obama if elected.. (2.00 / 1)

is that when people figure out that he is not the man they voted for, they are going to get angry, and there will be demonstrations..

This will result in a disintegration of the fabric of our social contract, the fabric that keeps this country together.

Thats when I don't want to be here. I want to be FAR away.

Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1

by architek on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:30:35 PM EST

Re: My fear on Obama if elected.. (none / 0)

Please elaborate.

All of us tend to envision things much more dramatically than how they really play out.

Choas/Civil unrest? Really.

What would President Obama do that would be so bad that democrats would take to the streets?

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:42:24 PM EST
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You could edit it. (none / 0)

Unlike dkos, where the edit button is at the top of the story, the edit button at mydd is at the bottom of the story. I hope you feel better soon.

That's it, baby; let's go win this election!

by Beltway Dem on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:48:52 PM EST
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Wow (none / 0)

Hillary will be one of most "respected figures not only in the world, but on the planet." I have to confess that the distinction is lost on me.

That's it, baby; let's go win this election!

by Beltway Dem on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:34:41 PM EST

Re: Wow (2.00 / 1)

forgive me...I am hopped up on flu meds. I meant the US and the planet.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:38:59 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

What are you doing online TD? Shouldn't you be (based on your user name) be in caucas somewhere?

I admire your dogged optimism, TD.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:40:29 PM EST

Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

I beg to differ. I think the Clinton brand has been badly damaged. by all this. Badly.
Too much water has gone past the bridge to be merely brished of for them.

Ex-friends like Dodd, Richardson, Leahy, Pelosi.
They lost them all.

What will she do? Turn up to the senate chamber on monday morning and look all these people back in the eye again.
It would be humilaltion for her. That's why she is going nuclear now, as there is no comeback for them. They have nothing to lose.

McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future

by KathyM on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:50:54 PM EST

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Bullshit. She is respected for her fightin' nature.... this is why she has been allowed to continue rhather than taken to the woodshed.

Given the fact that the economy and Iraq/n are so bad...the holder of the nomination IS going to win...I suspect that's why she is so understanably reluctant to let it go.

I for one think we owe it to her to fight on. Barack agrees.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:54:37 PM EST
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TD...I have seen no evidence of a backlash, and beleive me I looked for one.

I am waiting to see what the Sunday shows have to say about the step down calls and to see if the Bosnia flap is over.

Shouldn't you be in caucus?

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:09:08 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Not all of them. Pat Buchanan would doubtless be toeing the misogynistic white man's line, if there weren't a black man in the race. So he's forced to focus all his energy on trying to figure out how to make racist talking points regularly on national TV.

by deminva on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:58:33 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (2.00 / 1)

this woman yesterday implied that the clintons had ron brown and a plane full of innocent people murdered.

i think we should all ignore her opinion.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:25:30 PM EST
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Why would you bring that up???

Fishy??????

Next time I am bored I might have to read all your diaries, and see if you have EVER made a public declaration in support of progressive issues.

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:41:03 PM EST
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Here is the comment he is referring to:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/28/1 71357/764/10#10

He has a valid point about the comment she posted, IMHO.

by joanneleon on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:36:51 PM EST
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I am not disputing that she brought up that awful tragedy . . . I FUND RAISED for BILL!

DEMS shouldn't be throwing old mud out like this, so why keep bringing it up.

Mr. Hardin (or whatever his real name is) is doing HRC a disservice by bringing up the old VRWC crap.

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:52:49 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

I am not disputing that she brought up that awful tragedy . . . I FUND RAISED for BILL!

DEMS shouldn't be throwing old mud out like this, so why keep bringing it up.

Mr. Hardin (or whatever his real name is) is doing HRC a disservice by bringing up the old VRWC crap.

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:53:12 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

I don't think you understand politics very well if you think that Dodd, Richardson, Leahy or Pelosi would turn their backs on Clinton simply because of her campaigning for president.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:14:19 PM EST
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Check out this video (2.00 / 1)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nROKBU_KlZw

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:52:00 PM EST

Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

This video could be evidence of a specific from-the-top attempt to violate the rights of HRC delegates, with Axelrods fingerprints all over it. Punishable by jail time and fines... OR it could be..in order of liklihood:

1) A mistake pure and simple

2) Represenative of overzealous supporters that both sides unfortunately do have

3) How do we know that the guy on the other end of the phone isn't a cohort of Ms. Frderick? Could this not ITSELF be an effort on behalf of HRC overzealous folks to stir up doubts?

None of these can be rules out, with the exception I think of an Obama-authorized attempt to break laws.

I would NEVER accuse Hillary of this sort o f thing either, btw.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:02:50 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

See my response above; this was debunked.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:29:44 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

Think about this

The person who received the call had VIDEO to catch it...

She is very unlikely to have that ready if she was the first one.

And listen to the last 30 seconds the caller shows he is partisan.

Obama folks want you try jedi mind speak and say everything was debunked...

If it was really the Democratic party why would they hang up?

Think about it...

by DTaylor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:07:41 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

Someone, unaffiliated with either campaign did this. Not SPECIFICALLY the campaign, they did it to both sides. They also did calls saying the conventions had been canceled, again, to both sides. But obviously it was Obama's folks doing it all.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:22:24 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (2.00 / 1)

This was already debunked. It was the Texas Democratic Party doing it, on accident, and Obama delegates got the same calls vice versa.

A little research goes a long way towards not looking foolish.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:29:21 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (1.00 / 0)

This was already debunked.

Obama wasn't raised muslim his sister was confused

This was already debunked.

Obama doesn't have a wacko pastor he is mainstream

This was already debunked.

There was noting out of the ordinary for Obama to have Iraqi money buy his house

This was already debunked.
This was already debunked.
This was already debunked.

Did they put that in a manual or something?

by DTaylor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:05:24 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

Yep. I guess CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, FARK.com, and the Texas Democratic Party itself are all following that manual.

Taylor, believe whatever you want to believe, it just makes you look foolish.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:20:49 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

If you notice 2 things it should be that:

1. The video begins part way through the call not from the beginning.

2. The poor quality of the video. I was probably made on a cell phone with video capability.

Why are these 2 things important. They give the video greater credibility. It would seem that the girl in the video answered the phone and when the caller identified himself as being from the Obama campaign she signaled another person in the room to start filming. The caller confirmed he was with the Obama campaign at least twice in the video. Sorry the MSM may have tried to debunk the story about Obama camp contacting Clinton delegates, but they never debunked this specific video and this video proves that they are doing it.

"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"

by RedstateLib on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:59:10 PM EST
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Re: Check out this video (none / 0)

No, the video proves nothing of the sort. It proves someone is doing it, as I mentioned, except that someone has been doing it to Obama people, too. But obviously, since there's no video, I guess it's not true, huh?

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 09:02:41 PM EST
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And Florida and Michigan? (none / 0)

Thanks for a nice diary.

Now ... how about applying that idea to the Florida and Michigan delegations? How legitimate will Obama's (presumed) nomination look, if he wins that nomination without votes being counted from those states? And with a perception that he is blocking the re-votes that were offered to him?

by 1950democrat on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:57:27 PM EST

Re: And Florida and Michigan? (none / 0)

I am certain the delegates will be seated 1950. Certain of it.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:03:39 PM EST
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Re: And Florida and Michigan? (none / 0)

Please don't take it the wrong way. I'm not being snarky or anything like that. I am however very ill, and might not be using my best vocabulary today...so you are going to have to cut me some slack.

I am afraid that today, I am about as sharp as a bag of wet mice and oatmeal.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:30:34 PM EST
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Re: And Florida and Michigan? (none / 0)

HRC is trying her best to make that be the perception but many people know it isn't true.

by Becky G on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:06:09 PM EST
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Obama has not whethered the Wright fiasco (none / 0)

The GOP can play those tapes anytime they need Obama's numbers to drop by 10 points. They have no incentive to bring him down now.

Those sermons, along with the church writings about Isreal will be a deal-breaker for many people who have already voted for Obama or were considering doing so.

The polls showing he "bounced back" are ridiculous. They do not factor what is surely coming from the Republicans.

Obama's problems are severe. Yes, he can win the nomination, but so what? He is losing blue states and getting beat far worse than Hillary in many red states, I mean by as much as 30 pts.

If Obama was our only hope it would be panic time. But we have a long way to go in the race and we don't have to lose the election before its really begun by nominating someone who didn't have the good sense and the cohonas to leave the church.

Do not make the big mistake in thinking that the controversy is over. We've just seen a teaser so far. Wright is the gift that will keep on giving to the Republicans. It will affect the down-ticket races as well.

I still believe that Obama would make a great VP candidate.

by mmorang on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:22:23 PM EST

Re: Obama has not whethered the Wright fiasco (none / 0)

You make it sound like there isn't any tape of Hillary avaialbe saying something HERSELF that is of dubious merit isn't out there.

If the worst they have on Obama are words that he himself did not say...then he'll win in a blowout.

The Bosnian thing that blew up on Hillary is easily as damaging to her as :

1) It happened most recently

It reminds people of the things they didn't like about the Clintons
It undermines her 3 a.m. claim.

AND you can bet mcCain would be playing the sound of Hilaary claiming to dodge bullets while the show he kissing the little girl.

BUT NONE of this matters. The democratic nominee WILL be the President. The economy is too bad and iraq is too big a mess to elicit any other outcome.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:35:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama has not whethered the Wright fiasco (2.00 / 0)

If there was a tape of her pastor/mentor of 20 years saying "God Damn America" I would say she's finished.

Whether its fair or not, too many voters will find his statements offensive. The church has also put out material saying anti-semetic things.

The polls in states that Obama has already won show him losing big percentages of voters. He is losing by 30 points to McCain. He is also losing BLUE states to McCain.

Obama may still win the nomination, but he can't win the general election this time. He has to be Vice President first, then he could win the presidency. But if he's our nominee for president this year we lose. That's reality, tough as it is.

Clinton/Obama 2008

by mmorang on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama has not whethered the Wright fiasco (2.00 / 0)

mmo... that is your OPINION. Unless the economy turns around, gas prices lower by a buck, home foreclosures stop, and Iraq turns around brfore November... the Democrat WILL win.

Yeah that is my opinion too, but I would be willing to bet you a 12-pack that my opinion becomes a reality. In fact, I think our opinion will both be tested.

God I feel terrible. Avoid the flu if you can. not fun.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:33:00 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Obama has weathered NOTHING. The only poll that counts now is the upcoming one in the Pennsylvania primary. If Obama cannot crack 20% of white support, and I don't believe he can, the pundits will create a new narrative: Obama is unelectable.

by STUBALL on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:33:41 PM EST

Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Come on.. we all know the pundits will NEVER submit THAT narrative!

;)

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:35:48 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

Ya they will just report the facts parsed by race and all of America will know it.

No need to pre chew our news.

by DTaylor on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST
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stop your tricks (none / 0)

I will not vote for Obama. I don't see any possibility of "union" with people like you. I think Hillary will be a nominee, but if not - there is no way I will support such a bad candidate as Obama and more than 20% of Hillary supporters (I personally think much more than 20%) will do the same. Obama, if he is nominee, will lose in landslide and he will never be able resurect after such a defeat. Hillary on other hand, was, is and will be political star and she will get what she wants this year or if not - a little later. She is young and best of her career still ahead of her. Not so for Obama after his defeat - just take a look on Mondale or Dukakis.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:30:37 PM EST

Re: stop your tricks (none / 0)

Remember that in a democracy people get the leaders they deserve. If you don't support the Democratic nominee be prepared to live with consequences. If you are trying to scare people be aware that this is not working.

I am one of those latte liberals that Bill Clinton keeps bashing.

by ges69 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:43:10 PM EST
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Re: stop your tricks (none / 0)

Stop Your Tricks? Are you actually trying to suggest that anyone who tries to mediate and moderate is up to something?

It is this very sort of stuff that is as counter-productive as ANYthing the most zeal-filled Obama supporter might pull, and i have had it with ALL of it.

Here's what Obama had to say today:

Obama said the Democratic Party will need to move quickly and decisively to pick its nominee in early June when the state-by-state nominating contests are winding down, and turn its attention to taking on Republicans.

"I think it is important to pivot as quickly as possible for the superdelegates or others to make a decision as quickly as possible," Obama said, to give the nominee time to choose a running mate and plan for the party's convention in August.

Obama also downplayed fears that the contest will continue to divide Democrats in the election against McCain.

"You can't tell me that some of my supporters are going to say 'well, we'd rather have the guy who may want to stay in Iraq for 100 years because we are mad that Senator Clinton ran a negative ad about Senator Obama. And I think the converse is true as well," he said.

Obama and Clinton back pulling U.S. combat troops out of Iraq. McCain has argued they could be needed there for years.

To avoid risking a divided party ahead of the November election, Obama said both campaigns should avoid excessive tactics.

"I do want to make sure that ... we show some restraint and that we are measured in how we present the contrasts between myself and Senator Clinton," he said.

"And we've been very careful throughout this campaign not to say things that could be used as ammunition for the Republicans if Senator Clinton was the nominee."

Someone tell me what if anything is WRONG with what he says here. it is healthy and helps ALL of us.

by a gunslinger on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:01:59 PM EST
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It's the last days in the bunker (none / 0)

Things are getting weird!

by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:38:01 PM EST
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Re: Things Will Get Better For Hillary (none / 0)

I do not doubt that you will vote for the DEM nominee TXD.

I wish you could convince some of your fellow HRC-supporters to stop with the "Obama is worse than McCain" crap. It exposes them as the type that didn't join MyDD for the right reason.

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!

by Veteran75 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:37:19 PM EST

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