Let's Ignore the Nattering Nabobs and Be Positive.

There is a movement by some to perpetuate the negative feelings between both camps.  

MOST of us (Hillary and Obama folk alike) are moving toward reconciliation...either by awakening or by degrees...but IT IS happening.

But...there are those out there who NEED to continue to perpetuate myths and ill-will to support their agendas.  Common tactics:

1) Spread a rumor/lie about what Obama is doing in (State X) with phone calls/mailings.  Proof is never offered, but such an accusation is meant to outrage and/or enflame certain supporters into action (donation?) or inaction in November.

2) The ol' "Less Filling/ Tastes Great" argument.  Someone proporting to be a supporter of candidate X writes a diary or makes a response/comment that blames to other side for "Starting it", then makes an inflamatory statement of their own, having justified it by the accusation of the other side's culpability.

Both of these tactics are nearly cliched by now, but it doesn't stop the small percentage of those folks who are vocal around here and on other websites.

My advice?  Let's all recognize that just because there is a small number of vocal and active trouble makers out there, doesn't mean that we need to be mislead. We can be smarter and better than they assume we might be.  

The fact of the matter is that no matter what they might be telling themselves privately or between one another...these agruments ONLY help John McCain.  Some of these folks believe that they are helping who they believe to be the best democratic candidate, but this is sadly not the case.

We must however, let them do what they will, and not provide any energy or fuel to the distraction and negativity.  The progressives ARE going to sweep the elections this fall, and we WILL make the changes we need to regain the the greatness of our nation and the respect of the world.  We can do this.  

Ignore the flawed (or in the case of mcCain Trolls...BAD) apples, folks...real progressives/dems WILL come around.



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Re: Let's Ignore the Natter Nabobs and Be Positive (none / 0)

I actually prefer to be increasingly negative... about McCain...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:13:55 AM EST

Yes, take it to McCain (none / 0)

That guy just gets more and more ridiculous every day.  

The fact that Lieberman supports him so whole-heartedly against most of his own supposed principles is particularly galling.  McCain represents the old guard far more than Hillary Clinton.

He's no maverick, that's for sure.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:17:01 AM EST

internet activist do not matter (2.00 / 1)

what matters if how the swing voters will vote.
The primary is not over and all the calls for unity in the world won't make Obama the nominee before the  convention.  But arguments about people being unified on mydd are silly because most DEMOCRATS have not heard of dkos much less mydd and they do not give a flying you know what about whether we are unified or not.  They will vote for the person they most feel is ready to be president and who they like.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:37:10 AM EST

Re: internet activist do not matter (none / 0)

Agreed.  In fact, my diary suggest as much thaqt the impact of internet activism should be muted.  However, aiding McCain and the GOP by action or by proxy, whether intended or not IS truly heinous. Even if the negative impact is small...it NEEDS to stop.  Do you disagree?

We ALL need to stop spreading discontent and falsehoods about the LIKELY Democratic nominee and about EACH OTHER!!  


by a gunslinger on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:30:52 AM EST
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Amen. Ignore the fringe. We're moving. (none / 0)


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM EST

Re: heh (none / 0)

You just had to toss in the "McCain trolls" firecracker in the middle of all that "positive" stuff didn't you?

Frankly, I don't see why "REAL" progressives would vote for Barack Obama--he's not a progressive at all. He's used a homophobic gay preacher, been racially divisive, and uses right-wing talking points to convey in coded language to Republicans, that he's on board in the "social security crisis." Aside from his very questionable voting history in Illinois, he hasn't compiled much of a record of accomplishment in the Senate. But he has a very clear history of working with corporate interests to re-fashion legislation to please them--like on the Nuclear Energy legislation he touted to Iowans, and on the Class Action Fairness Act.

He is not a progressive. So, why would "real" progressives want to vote for the candidate who claims he want to bring "unity" between republicans and democrats? Do progressives really think that "unity" is more important than "partisanship"? That sounds more like the DLC than progressive values to me.

You gotta laugh. Or you'll cry. At how "real" progressives have been so co-opted by a man who wants to nip their burgeoning movement in the bud by replacing it with his own Obama Party.

Oy.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:34:49 AM EST

Re: heh (none / 0)

You have got to be kidding.  Thisis the very sort of line of attack that is troublesome and shallow (note I comment on the attack, and not the author of the comment).

Obama is likely going to be the nominee unless a sattelite falls from the sky and beans him.  

Neither of the democratic candidates that remain are free of charges of making statements that SOMEONE in the GOP might consider credible.  Need I remind YOU of Hillary's embrace of Bush's war in Iraq and agreement over Iran language?

The point is that WE need to beat McCain, and even though a strong majority of dems/progressives are doing the right thing...the loud vocal minority can aid McCain, and it needs to stop.

Who can disagree with that?


by a gunslinger on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:49:32 AM EST
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Re: "Real" progressives don't vote Obama (none / 0)

Contrary to what we might think, it looks like Obama's weakness among Dems comes from people who identify themselves as liberal (he is 13% weaker in that group), so not necessarily the white blue-collar base.

http://www.campaigndiaries.com/


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:52:20 AM EST
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Oh...and McCain Trolls... (none / 0)

...do exist.  we ALL understand that.  I am not accusing anyone in particular in my diary, but we have ALL read comments and diaries that are so over the top that they cannot be written by anyone who supports choice, and end to Iraq, the economy etc.    


by a gunslinger on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:52:05 AM EST
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Re: Oh, Grow Up (none / 0)

"McCain trolls" sounds like a playground taunt...
This isn't an internet game. This is an election. Try to realize that the entire universe doesn't reside in your little domain, k?
"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:54:28 AM EST
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Re: Oh, Grow Up (none / 0)

Don't be so dang over sensitive.  "troll" is a common (though i admit, overused) accepted term to describe someone pretending to be soemthing they are not.

This site and others are ripe with Trolls of all sorts.  MyDD seems to have more McCain supporters posign as EITHER Obama or Hill folks is all. The concern Trolls seem ot favor DK.


by a gunslinger on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:46:59 PM EST
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Re: Let's Ignore the Nattering Nabobs and Be Posit (none / 0)

Yes!

Why let that one bad apple spoil the whole damn bunch?


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:21:39 PM EST


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